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PastorDan over at Street Prophets awards the Wanker Of The Day:

Hillary Clinton.

Mercy, Is the best we are to get from Hillary Clinton to differentiate herself from Barack Obama is that she starts to sound like Karl Rove?

What's with all the use of (discredited) Republican Talking Points?

I still have the tire marks from being tossed under the Bus of Political Expediency over DOMA - I expect better from our next President. And there's a small fraction of me that uncynically feels we can still achieve it; but not with the politics of Rovian division.

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cipherpunk.livejournal.com

My own dissenting view is that MoveOn is part of the problem and emphatically not part of the solution. In 2004 they filed a complaint with the FTC arguing that Fox's slogan of “fair and balanced” was fraudulent advertising.

Let me repeat that: they asked the government to decide whether journalism was fair and balanced. The government. Here I thought the First Amendment was a big sign written in twelve foot high flaming letters signed by the Framers telling us “do not under any circumstances allow the government to control the press,” and here’s MoveOn shrugging their shoulders and saying “hey, times change, Faux News has got to be stopped somehow, right.”

I have gone over literally dozens of scenarios in my head trying to figure out what possessed them. All of the scenarios end with the same conclusion: these people are too deluded to be taken seriously.

I am not an enemy of progressives, but I am loudly and proudly an enemy of MoveOn.

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furrbear.livejournal.com

Rob, Please don't misread this as me being a defender of MoveOn. While there are some activities of theirs I admire, there is still quite a lot that cause me to roll my eyes and utter, OYE!.

The MoveOn part is only part of the symptom. It's the Republican talking points, the "unvetted facts" (read: lies), and continued 'Politics of Division'.

Progressives in this country are ready for a change. And part of that change involves dumping the old DLC-style of "Swing-state middle-of-the-road" ~~losing~~ campaigning.

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cipherpunk.livejournal.com

All right — I hope, though, that my confusion is understandable, given the link in question was staunchly defending MoveOn. :)

Speaking for myself, I see this as endemic to the American system. Duverger is alive and well, and constantly driving American politics to a hypothetical middle, at the expense of the vibrancy and dynamism of minority points of view. The tendency you've been seeing in Hillary, I saw all over the Republican nomination process.

I really wish we could end SMDP–style elections in the United States. Ending that, and ending the secret ballot, would do wonders for elections.