As the Anglican World Churns: This Just In

[furrbear]

In my Inbox from the Steering Committee of North Texas Episcopalians:

"We have received a copy of a presentation, made by four senior priests in the Episcopal Diocese of Fort Worth to Roman Catholic Bishop Kevin Vann of Fort Worth, in which they seek guidance in making a proposal "that would lead our Diocese into full communion with the See of Peter." They state in their presentation that "Bishop Iker endorsed our report and gave us his 'unequivocal support' to proceed with a presentation to Bishop Vann." The full text of this presentation may be read by going to the Steering Committee website: SteeringCommitteeNTE.org."

Hmmm, and for a while this rumor was discounted as unlikely.

Comments

[dewittar.livejournal.com]

As much as the neocons want pure doctrine (whatever that is), what they do not want even more is to have their congregational authority/autonomy taken from them. Honestly, how well will they receive being told what to do/think/believe without any of their input?

[furrbear.livejournal.com]

Katie Sherrod posted a very good analysis of the rumor back prior to Lambeth.

[cipherpunk.livejournal.com]

As much as the neocons want pure doctrine (whatever that is)

Are you seriously claiming that Doug Feith, Irving Kristol, William Kristol, Joe Lieberman, Norm Podhoretz, David Brooks, Jonah Goldberg, William Safire, Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz and all the other Jewish intellectuals who run the neoconservative movement are driving the doctrine of Christian churches?

Neoconservativism has a long and honorable association with the Jewish liberal intellectual tradition. The first two major neoconservative thinkers — both of them predating the term “neoconservative” — were Max Shachtman and Leo Strauss. Shachtman was a Trotskyist, and Strauss… if you can figure out where Strauss was politically, you’re a wiser man than I. By the 1970s, the term was broadly applied to liberal anti–Communist hawks, regardless of their religious beliefs. The hero of '70s neoconservativism was Scoop Jackson, a liberal Democrat and Presbyterian.

Today… to be honest, I don’t know what the word means today, despite the fact people keep telling me I’m a neocon. I am increasingly of the opinion that it is the left wing’s answer to the word “liberal.” The only difference is that when Rush Limbaugh sneers that Hillary Clinton is a “liberal,” well, she is one, by her own repeated admissions — but when Hillary sneers that Rush is a “neoconservative,” well, he’t not one, he’s simply far–right and idiotic conservative. (As Rush himself has said, “I’m not a neoconservative — I don’t think conservativism needs an overhaul.”)

The word has lost all its probative value. In the present day, it amounts to a political smear rather than an engagement with the actual facts of a person’s beliefs.

I get called a neocon with great regularity, despite the fact I’m broadly in favor of gay marriage and abortion rights and broadly against capital punishment. Still. If I’m a neocon, I might as well come clean with our agenda on these matters.

We don’t have one.

None. Nada. Zilch.

That isn’t to say there aren’t people out there making fools of themselves — there most certainly are. But it’s a hell of a stretch to say they have any connection with neoconservativism.

[cipherpunk.livejournal.com]

furrbear has pointed out to me the possibility (even likelihood) that you were using neocon in some Christian theological sense of which I am totally unaware, as opposed to in the current political sense of the word. I don't know if this is true or not, but courtesy requires I acknowledge the possibility that I may have been utterly off my rocker. :)

If I have a total misunderstanding of what you mean, please accept my apologies. It's never my intent to mischaracterize or trivialize anyone's reasoned views on a subject.

Getting closer to Peter

[fatherbear.livejournal.com]

I laughed when I read them referring to Rome as, "the See of Peter". I mean it sounds funny to start with, but then you realize they're all upset over what men do with their peters and then its ironic.

[codecattx.livejournal.com]

*sigh*

The Synod strikes again. In their own way, these critters are worse than Sith.

[furrbear.livejournal.com]

Both former bishops, Davies and Pope, left.

We used to jokingly refer to +Clarence as "Pope Pope". He swam the Tiber, came back, and left again.