I'm thinking that John McCain has a lot to do with it. I wish he could have given his speech in isolation, unmarred by interruption. It was really a grand speech.
I supported Obama and am pleased that he won, but I wonder... will he be a friend to the Gay Community? How can I be proud of America when people in California voted... en majority, to discriminate against me. Where is our hero in all this? Where was the impetus from the Gay Community? It was lack luster at best.
If you read my post about "Marriage" you'll understand exactly what I feel about the Gay Community's push against Prop 8.
This is all about a word... at least it is in California. I have the same rights as a "married" couple does within the Domestic Partnership that Jeff and I already have. My Domestic partnership has a far more broad field of recognition and acceptance outside of California. If I were "married" I coun't make that same statement.
What we need is Federal recognition, nothing less will do the trick. You know this, I Know this and so does everyone else... Does having State supported "Marriage" make a difference? I really wonder.
State supported marriage makes a difference in that it grants certain rights. Domestic Partnership was a way to grant many of those rights, partly in reaction to Prop 22. Our form from '02 is in the safe here at home.
The chief problem with this approach, and it's the same with civil unions, is that it creates a two-tier system.
There's more than a few examples of a domestic partner being hit with "Yes, but you're not married.
Yes, it's all about a word. We really need to join the rest of the world where the state sanctions marriage and the church, if desired, blesses matrimony. But religious conservatives will never give up their conflation of the two.
You wrote: "There's more than a few examples of a domestic partner being hit with "Yes, but you're not married."
If the contract gives particular rights then it follows that those rights must be upheld within the areas where the rights were granted. Yes, its two tiered system and that isn't 100% fair, but it does work in a majority of the instances. If the State mandates that the rights of Domestic Partnership are the same as those grated by the State in Marriage, then it must be upheld as such.
We will never secure equality under the law until we have the money and the numbers to do so.
To achieve what other countries have done can only be done at the Federal Level and that is a million years off.
The scare tactics that won Prop 8 hit not only conservative religious groups, but mid/main stream religious folks as well. Their tactics worked. We need to learn from them.
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Date: 2008-11-05 05:24 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-11-05 05:50 am (UTC)Proposition 8 Same-Sex Marriage Ban
Choice Votes %
Yes 1,958,398 53.8%
No 1,681,860 46.2%
22% of precincts reportingUpdated 11/04 9:45PM
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Date: 2008-11-05 05:55 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-11-05 05:50 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-11-05 05:55 am (UTC)McCain was gracious, but only in defeat.
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Date: 2008-11-05 03:20 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-11-05 03:25 pm (UTC)Complacency? Apathy?
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Date: 2008-11-05 04:33 pm (UTC)This is all about a word... at least it is in California.
I have the same rights as a "married" couple does within the Domestic Partnership that Jeff and I already have. My Domestic partnership has a far more broad field of recognition and acceptance outside of California. If I were "married" I coun't make that same statement.
What we need is Federal recognition, nothing less will do the trick. You know this, I Know this and so does everyone else... Does having State supported "Marriage" make a difference? I really wonder.
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Date: 2008-11-05 04:41 pm (UTC)The chief problem with this approach, and it's the same with civil unions, is that it creates a two-tier system.
There's more than a few examples of a domestic partner being hit with "Yes, but you're not married.
Yes, it's all about a word. We really need to join the rest of the world where the state sanctions marriage and the church, if desired, blesses matrimony. But religious conservatives will never give up their conflation of the two.
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Date: 2008-11-05 05:00 pm (UTC)If the contract gives particular rights then it follows that those rights must be upheld within the areas where the rights were granted. Yes, its two tiered system and that isn't 100% fair, but it does work in a majority of the instances. If the State mandates that the rights of Domestic Partnership are the same as those grated by the State in Marriage, then it must be upheld as such.
We will never secure equality under the law until we have the money and the numbers to do so.
To achieve what other countries have done can only be done at the Federal Level and that is a million years off.
The scare tactics that won Prop 8 hit not only conservative religious groups, but mid/main stream religious folks as well. Their tactics worked. We need to learn from them.