Prop 8: Two Words

[furrbear]

I have two words on Prop 8: Pyrrhic victory.

Comments

[jkusters]

How so? Do you refer to the argument going to the CA Supes about abolishing marriage altogether?

[furrbear.livejournal.com]

No. That argument won't go anywhere. To quote Molly, "That dog won't hunt."

I'm referring to my post just before this, where I cite this post. Prop 8 will be found unconstitutional not because of what it does, but because of how they tried to do it. Pay attention to the post's second paragraph - that's an argument that was put forth in July and the court declined to hear it at that time. The comments are also a pretty good read, though there are a lot of nervous-type comments not relevant to a court decision.

[envirobear.livejournal.com]

Yup. The Mormon Church has opened a Pandora's box that can and probably will strip them of tax-exempt status...which will effectively end their ability to do a lot of their world-wide religious business. Too bad for them...karma might be a good revelation for them to consider.

[furrbear.livejournal.com]

And maybe the BSA can be rehabilitated from being The Mormon Youth.

[geometrician.livejournal.com]

They won't care. They would rather end the abomination than to have tax-exempt status.

Let's make them lose both.

[gryphons-hole.livejournal.com]

Oh, I think they care very much about their tithe...

[joebehrsandiego.livejournal.com]

I grew up with the LDS (as neighbors, I was a heathen Catholic/Jew mutt).

Gryphon is right.

See also:

http://joebehrsandiego.livejournal.com/270946.html

[geometrician.livejournal.com]

That is correct. I lived three blocks from Temple Square in SLC for years, and I know they like the $$$.

What I mean is that they will sacrifice their tax-exempt status if the believe it will defeat same-sex marriage. They might not like it, but it would be their priority.

[joebehrsandiego.livejournal.com]

Wow. Well you have much more close-up-and-personal experience than me. I would not have made that leap, but I trust your judgment. :)

My dad (the Jew half of the equation) was a hugely successful businessman and he admitted that the Mormons were often savvier than him.

[geometrician.livejournal.com]

Ha! Your dad was right. The church is expert at organizing its holdings and income sources such that it is nearly impossible to make a link. You can come up with a lot of lists of "Mormon-owned" businesses, but most of what you find will be suppositions, rather than something you can evidence. I would be amazed if they actually did lose tax-exempt status, but I don't think it would slow down the donations.

[joebehrsandiego.livejournal.com]

John -

I'm going to forward your previous post/Daily Kos references to a (gay, married-to-a-guy) acquaintance in San Diego who is also a law professor.

Tuesday night he told both Roy/inbhirnis and me that no legal challenge of the type you and Daily Kos cite, is viable.

I hope he's wrong (and so would he, of course). But I wanted to give you that backstory.

Joe

[furrbear.livejournal.com]

I must agree - I pray he's wrong.

The folks in CO thought the same about their Prop 2, but Romer v, Evans said different.